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Alan,<br>
<br>
thank you, this all makes perfect sense. The only outstanding
problem is that it it unlikely that with this setup computers in LAN
A will be able to receive broadcasts from computers in LAN B and
vice-versa.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andrew.<br>
<br>
On 7/10/2010 11:52 a.m., Alan S. Lawee wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">In order for you to configure this, you have to
set up explicit
routes, and the computers in each location that are hosting
the tinc
application must be able to route packets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">A little more explanation is in order. As you are
referring to
the nodes as PC’s, I am assuming that you are using the
MsWindows
operating system. Some versions (e.g. Windows 2000) are
able to function as
routers out of the box, others cannot function as routers,
and yet others
require some advanced configuration. (Linux or other x-based
systems can all
function as routers).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Computers on LAN A are configured to use the
broadband router as
a default gateway in order to access the Internet. However,
in order to
accomplish the configuration you are looking for, you will
have to set up a
manual route on each of the computers on LAN A which will
instruct them to go
to the computer running tinc in order to reach the nodes on
LAN B. The reverse
will be true for the computers on LAN B.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Your IDEA1 will not work because the subnet masks
do not define
distinct networks. IDEA2 has the same problem because the
tinc subnet is not
distinct from the other 2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">So, to follow your example IDEA2, we have in
household A, LAN A:
10.30.1.x and 3 PC’s: PC-A.11, PC-A.12 & PC-A.13, plus a
router: R-A.1;
in household B, LAN B: 10.30.2.x, we have a similar
configuration, PC-B.11, PC-B.12,
PC-B.13 and R-B.1; the tinc application is hosted on each
of PC-A.11 and PC-B.11
and will use the subnet 10.30.3.x.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">As an example, the IP configurations are as
follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">PC-A.11: Default
Gateway 10.30.1.1/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
IP Address
10.30.1.11/255.255.255.0 on physical network interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
IP Address
10.30.3.1/255.255.255.0 on virtual tinc interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
Manual entry in
routing table to 10.30.2.0/255.255.255.0 via 10.30.3.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">PC-A.12, PC-A.13: Default Gateway
10.30.1.1/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
IP Address
10.30.1.12/255.255.255.0 and 10.30.1.13/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
Manual entry in
routing table to 10.30.2.0/255.255.255.0 via 10.30.1.11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">PC-B.11: Default
Gateway 10.30.2.1/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
IP Address
10.30.2.11/255.255.255.0 on physical network interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
IP Address
10.30.3.2/255.255.255.0 on virtual tinc interface<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
Manual entry in
routing table to 10.30.1.0/255.255.255.0 via 10.30.3.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">PC-B.12, PC-B.13: Default Gateway
10.30.2.1/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
IP Address
10.30.2.12/255.255.255.0 and 10.30.2.13/255.255.255.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">
Manual entry in
routing table to 10.30.1.0/255.255.255.0 via 10.30.2.11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Now every PC knows where to send packets destined
for both the
Internet and the other household. The PC’s hosting tinc are
acting as
the virtual routers between the two sites. Note once again
that various
versions of Windows have this routing function disabled.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Hope this helps you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Alan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:
windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:
windowtext;"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tinc-bounces@tinc-vpn.org">tinc-bounces@tinc-vpn.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:tinc-bounces@tinc-vpn.org">mailto:tinc-bounces@tinc-vpn.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew
Savinykh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 06, 2010 18:17<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tinc@tinc-vpn.org">tinc@tinc-vpn.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Windows subnets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Donald,<br>
<br>
thank you, while I still have some questions, your answer is
definitely a step
in the right direction.<br>
In the other reply I was asked what I'm trying to achieve.
Let's consider the
following scenario (which is quite similar to the one that
described in the
tinc manual).<br>
<br>
Let's assume we have two households, each has 3-5 computers in
it. Both
house holds have similar network configuration:<br>
They are connected to internet with an ADSL line and a router.<br>
The computers in the local network access internet via the
router.<br>
The router is configured so that one of the computers have
port 665 forwarded
to be accessible outside.<br>
The external IP is changed rarely and there is dynamic DNS
service (external)
in use to accommodate for the change of IP when it happens.<br>
<br>
One household has local network addresses of 192.168.1.* and
the other has
10.1.1.*<br>
I'm installing tinc on one computer in each household. <br>
<br>
The goal is to let all computers in both house holds to see
each other by ip
address. Also it is desired that for computer games purposes<br>
all computers appear to be on the same LAN (for broadcasts).
But this is not
mandatory. (it appears that it's not possible without
installing tinc on every
PC <br>
as every tinc daemon serves a subnet and two tinc daemons
can't serve a part of
subnet each)<br>
<br>
All computers run different flavours of Windows, most being
Windows 7.<br>
<br>
I have two ideas how to set this up, although I'm not sure if
any of these two
works:<br>
<br>
IDEA1.<br>
=====<br>
Household A<br>
Gateway IP: 10.30.0.1<br>
Gateway Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Gateway Default Gateway: ????<br>
<br>
Other PCs IP: 10.30.0.2,3,4 etc<br>
Other PCs Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Other PCs Deafult Gateway: 10.30.0.1<br>
<br>
Tinc Subnet: 10.30.0.0/25<br>
<br>
Household B<br>
Gateway IP: 10.30.0.129<br>
Gateway Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Gateway Default Gateway: ????<br>
<br>
Other PCs IP: 10.30.0.130,131,132 etc<br>
Other PCs Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Other PCs Default Gateway: 10.30.0.129<br>
<br>
Tinc Subnet: 10.30.0.128/25<br>
<br>
<br>
IDEA2.<br>
=====<br>
Household A<br>
Gatway IP: 10.30.0.1<br>
Gateway Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Gateway Default Gateway: ????<br>
<br>
Other PCs IP: 10.30.0.2-255 etc<br>
Other PCs Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Other PCs Default Gateway: 10.30.0.1<br>
<br>
Tinc Subnet: 10.30.0.0/24<br>
<br>
Household B<br>
Gateway IP: 10.30.1.1<br>
Gateway Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Gateway Default Gateway: ????<br>
<br>
Other PCs IP: 10.30.1.2-255 etc<br>
Other PCs Mask: 255.255.255.0<br>
Other PCs Default Gateway: 10.30.0.129<br>
<br>
Tinc Subnet: 10.30.1.0/24<br>
<br>
<br>
So IDEA 1 probably won't work at all. Will it? And with IDEA 2
the pc's won't
appear on the same LAN and their broadcasts won't reach each
other.<br>
As far as I understand I need to install TAP interface on each
of the
participating windows PCs, correct?<br>
What is specified in default gateway of the gateways?<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you in advance,<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
On 7/10/2010 4:36 a.m., Donald Pearson wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The PCs that you want to participate need
to have a route
for the VPN subnet pointing to their local VPN gateway, which
would be the
local device with Tinc installed on it. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Theoretical configuration example.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">VPN subnet is <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://10.10.10.0/24">10.10.10.0/24</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">At a location, one computer <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://192.168.1.254/24">192.168.1.254/24</a>
connects to the VPN and serves as the VPN gateway. This
gateway needs to
be configured for TCP/IP forwarding.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315236">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315236</a> -
windows<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/">http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/</a> -
linux<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Other computers local to the gateway need
a route to the VPN
network added so they know how to get there.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In windows. route -p add 10.10.10.0
mask
255.255.255.0 192.168.1.254<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This will add the persistent route that
remains after
reboot.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Does that answer your question?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Andrew
Savinykh <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrews@brutsoft.com">andrews@brutsoft.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your reply. As far as I
can see there is no
point specifying subnet that consists of more than one
PC in tinc config if you
are going to install tinc on every PC in the subnet
anyway. Correct me if I'm
wrong.<br>
Now, assuming I'm right, there will be PCs in the subnet
that don't have tinc
installed on them. How to configure these PCs so they
are a part of the subnet
and participate in routing?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Andrew <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
On 6/10/2010 10:13 p.m., Cédric Lemarchand wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
I am not sure to understand what you mean with
"joining" a subnet.<br>
<br>
But if your "local computer" need to reach the
"remote
subnet" served by tinc, you can set the local IP
of the local tinc server
as the default gateway, or add a route to the
remote subnet via the local tinc
IP. Of course, computer located on the remote
subnet need the same thing.<br>
<br>
Cédric<br>
<br>
Le 06/10/10 09:37, Andrew Savinykh a écrit : <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Hello all, <br>
<br>
I understand that each tinc daemon corresponds to
one or more subnets that it
"owns" a subnet can be a single ip or more. <br>
Could you please tell me what do I need to do to
join a computer in local
network (windows) to a subnet served by tinc? <br>
<br>
Thank you in advance, <br>
Andrew <br>
<br>
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<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tinc@tinc-vpn.org" target="_blank">tinc@tinc-vpn.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc" target="_blank">http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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tinc mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tinc@tinc-vpn.org">tinc@tinc-vpn.org</a><br>
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href="http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc"
target="_blank">http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>tinc mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tinc@tinc-vpn.org">tinc@tinc-vpn.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc">http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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tinc mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tinc@tinc-vpn.org">tinc@tinc-vpn.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc">http://www.tinc-vpn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tinc</a>
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